Saturday, December 22, 2012

Pirates To Trade Hanrahan To Red Sox

Today the Pirates did what everyone knew they were going to do for the past couple months, if not the past couple of years, they traded Joel Hanrahan. The team that they got a deal worked out with was the Boston Red Sox as we still await the finalization of the deal. So far the Pirates will receive outfield/first base option Jerry Sands and pitcher Stolmy Pimentel while the Red Sox get Hanrahan.

As we wait to find out what else the Pirates and Sox get it is being reported that the Red Sox will get two players and the Pirates will get four which will make this a six player deal.

Here is some info and thoughts on what has gone down so far:

From everything I have read and looked at Sands isn't a particularly big piece as he is probably a first base option. Here is what his numbers look like including the minor leagues:

2 Yrs7025122122541704272660.244.325.376.7019683
162 Game Avg.1625815115112539096260139.244.325.376.70196192
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Generated 12/22/2012.

Sands was traded to the Red Sox in the massive deal that went down between the Sox and Dodgers that sent Adrian Gonzalez, Josh Beckett and Carl Crawford to Los Angeles. When that deal went down here is what Keith Law had to say about Sands:

Jerry Sands doesn't profile as an every-day player for me but could have value in a part-time role. He has average-at-best bat speed with a lot of rotation, meaning he has big raw power but struggles to get to it in games because he's not making enough quality contact. He stands well off the plate, so his plate coverage away isn't good, and his recognition of off-speed stuff is poor. He's also a below-average defender in left and couldn't handle third base in a brief trial there, so first base is probably his only option. He could be a bench or platoon bat against left-handed pitching, but I don't see an average regular here.

He does have some power but when you look at the minor league numbers you have to keep in mind that those numbers were in the PCL which is notoriously known for being hitter friendly. This is also interesting because if Sands is a platoon like guy he will be in a real log jam in both the outfield (Garrett Jones, Jose Tabata, Travis Snider) and at first base (Jones, Clint Robinson) so it is sort of a head scratcher.

Pimentel's stats are as followed as he was in AA all of last year:

200717Red SoxDOSLFRk312.9014130062.044202022260642471.0656.
2011212 Teams2 LgsA+-AA6136.79262500102.01258677163906516114711.60811.
6 Seasons39414.3712512000589.0590324286571911477354225051.3269.
AA (2 seasons)AA6165.96373700166.01901231101765011610147451.53610.
A+ (2 seasons)A+15154.19373600180.117094841958113713167561.2648.
A (1 season)A1073.82242300117.2135625012290103465051.39410.
FRk (1 season)FRk312.9014130062.044202022260642471.0656.
A- (1 season)A-523.1413110063.0512522717061222521.0797.
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Generated 12/22/2012.

Not really much to see there. Evidently he can hit 95 and is more of a project. Could be interesting to see if the Pirates can work with him and get him straightened out. He is only 22 years old so there still is some time to work on things.

Overall I know there are a lot of people who are angry about the return for Hanrahan even though we don't know the other half of the trade. It doesn't really look much more than the Pirates throwing some things against the wall and hoping that a couple of the players they got back to stick and be able to contribute but I am not sure what people expected to get back. The Pirates had little to no leverage in trading Hanrahan and despite what a lot of people think his trade value wasn't very high. Next year he is a free agent and he is probably going to get paid $7M this year. There just isn't much to work with if you are the Pirates and while I would have loved to get more for him I think you need to keep it in perspective.

The sediment that Hanrahan didn't need to be traded is a good one. He has been good for the Pirates in the past and from all things that I have seen/heard he is a great locker room guy. Like I said he is probably going to make $7M through arbitration and if they did keep him they are going to pay 10% or more of their payroll to a guy who is going to pitch maybe 60 innings. I think all of this is more of the way the closer roll has evolved over the last handful of years but I think that having a closer is more of a luxury than a necessity.

Ideally I would have liked to see the Pirates shop Hanrahan at the 2011 trade deadline but it didn't work out like that. It wouldn't have been bad to shop him at the deadline this past year but with how well the Pirates played it would have been a really tough sell with how the Pirates were positioned. It was really a no win situation for the front office as they could have got a much better return for him but instead they kept him on the chance they would make it down the stretch run which didn't happen the last couple of years. If he was traded last deadline the Pirates would have got roasted.

Like I said before the deal really isn't that overwhelming (so far) when you look at it but when you look at the leverage the Pirates have and the situation Hanrahan is in I am not really sure that you can expect to get a ton back for him. Sure they could have kept him but I am not sure it would have been the best move. Hopefully one of the pieces that the Pirates got back can help the club in some capacity.

As always the deal is not done yet and the Pirates will be getting two more players so that could change the thoughts on the team. But when you look at it Hanrahan is going into a free agent year and was having some big time control problems last year. While people screamed about Fransico Liriano having a BB/9 of 5.00 last season Hanrahan was actually worse with a 5.43 BB/9. I think a lot of this is people vastly overvaluing Hanrahan but I really guess we won't know much until next year and at least until the deal is finalized. Fact of the matter is that Hanrahan, while a good player, is not near the make or break piece on this Pirates teams.

I will try to update this as more information comes in.

UPDATE (11 p.m.): Word is that the Pirates will also be getting reliever Mark Melancon as the third player of the deal. The Sox got him last season in the Jed Lowrie deal. In 2011 Melancon compiled a pretty good season with the Astros having a 2.78 ERA in 74.1 innings and also had 20 saves. He took a step back last year with the Red Soxs and had a 6.20 ERA in 45.0 innings. The ERA is high but when you look a little deeper there is a chance that his 2012 number were a little bit of an outlier. He had a crazy high HR/FB percetage of 22.2% and his FIP (4.58) and xFIP (3.45) suggest that he pitched much better than his ERA. He gets a lot of ground balls over his career (54%) and has struck out almost eight batters per nine innings. Also interesting to note that this is really similar to when the Pirates acquired Hanrahan from the Nationals when his ERA was 7.71 in 2009 before he was traded and had a WHIP near 2.0. I think that worked out pretty well. I am not saying that Melancon is going to be Hanrahan but if someone only references his ERA from last season then they only looked at a few stats from last year.

This move makes the trade look a decent bit better for the Pirates and while the other players are still unknown it seems as if this might not be the worst trade in sports history like some are treating it.

UPDATE (Wednesday, 1 p.m.): The deal is finally finalized. The Pirates will also be sending Brock Holt to Boston with the Pirates also getting infielder Ivan De Jesus.

Holt and De Jesus are actually pretty much a lateral move, both getting playing time in the majors with Holt getting a little more playing time due to the injury to Neil Walker. Holt is about 11 months younger than De Jesus and from what I have seen De Jesus might be able to play a little bit of shortstop, which Holt was never going to be able to do.

Here are the statistics from the minor leagues for De Jesus:

2005 18 LAD-min Rk 53 213 193 22 56 6 0 0 14 11 16 40 .290 .354 .321 .675 62
2006 19 LAD-min A 126 563 483 65 134 17 2 1 44 16 63 85 .277 .361 .327 .688 158
2007 20 LAD-min A+ 121 502 428 69 123 22 3 4 52 11 57 64 .287 .371 .381 .752 163
2008 21 LAD-min AA 128 560 463 91 150 21 2 7 58 16 76 81 .324 .419 .423 .843 196
2009 22 LAD-min Rk 4 13 10 1 2 1 0 0 3 0 1 6 .200 .308 .300 .608 3
2010 23 LAD-min AAA 130 580 533 89 158 33 2 7 70 6 32 81 .296 .335 .405 .740 216
2011 24 LAD-min AAA 100 443 387 61 120 19 2 8 59 4 45 68 .310 .389 .432 .820 167
2011 24 LAD NL 17 35 32 2 6 0 0 0 1 0 2 11 .188 .235 .188 .423 21 6
2012 25 LAD-BOS-min AAA 67 271 250 37 76 13 3 3 33 2 16 56 .304 .343 .416 .759 104
2012 25 TOT MLB 31 45 41 5 9 3 0 0 4 1 3 13 .220 .267 .293 .559 54 12
2012 25 LAD NL 23 37 33 5 9 3 0 0 4 1 3 7 .273 .324 .364 .688 90 12
2012 25 BOS AL 8 8 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 .000 .000 .000 .000 -100 0
2 Yrs 48 80 73 7 15 3 0 0 5 1 5 24 .205 .253 .247 .500 40 18
162 Game Avg. 162 270 246 24 51 10 0 0 17 3 17 81 .205 .253 .247 .500 40 61
LAD (2 yrs) 40 72 65 7 15 3 0 0 5 1 5 18 .231 .282 .277 .559 57 18
BOS (1 yr) 8 8 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 .000 .000 .000 .000 -100 0
NL (2 yrs) 40 72 65 7 15 3 0 0 5 1 5 18 .231 .282 .277 .559 57 18
AL (1 yr) 8 8 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 .000 .000 .000 .000 -100 0
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Generated 12/26/2012.

This part of the move is pretty interesting becuase it leaves the Pirates with a ton of corner outfielders and first basemen. With Jones, Sands, Robinson and Sanchez you really can't carry all of those guys and you would have to imagine there is another deal coming. I would imagine that Jones is on the block after he had a career year that I wouldn't expect to happen again.

All told I think the Pirates did a pretty decent job on the trade. It isn't great but as I outlined above Hanrahan really wasn't worth that much and he didn't really have a great season last year.

People are going to freak out either way. Whatever.

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